tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post3004309959705895788..comments2024-03-27T19:05:25.362-07:00Comments on Nationals Baseball: Rendon or BryceHarperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-65793637454835100772023-09-12T00:46:33.873-07:002023-09-12T00:46:33.873-07:00kd 14
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Dumb Ballplayers fade as they age<br />because they don't adjust to change, while smart ones(Worth) do.Charlie Potatoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258354937239609234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-80427839108297384932018-01-28T23:59:57.675-08:002018-01-28T23:59:57.675-08:00I think the idea that Rendon is going to only get ...I think the idea that Rendon is going to only get 125m is low. When’s the last time a two time MVP finalist who plays elite defense got that little? If Rendon gets less than 6/150, it’s either because he took some discount or because GMs are obsessed with marketing over actual value. Folks don’t associate Rendon with peak David Wright and Evan Longoria only because he’s quiet. He’s not Josh Donaldson or Machado or Bryant because he has less power. But frankly I suspect that if Rendon played at altitude, he and Nolan Arenado would be the same player. Guy is a top 20 position player in MLB. The problem is I could easily see Rendon having some injury that leads to a total and complete collapse second half of career, while I just don’t see that for Bryce for some reason. BxJaycobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15841583667789907324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-25547094664708299502018-01-26T10:50:37.991-08:002018-01-26T10:50:37.991-08:00Either the money doesn't matter, or it does. I...Either the money doesn't matter, or it does. I think it does, so I'm not signing both of them. Harper would be trickier to build a team around, because he'll soak up so much of the payroll. Having an extra $10-15mm a year gets you at least one more star -- the next Murphy, if you're lucky (not another Weiters, hopefully). If the money doesn't matter, the Cubs and Dodgers, and possibly the Angels, Phillies, Giants and Red Sox, will be in a flat out bidding war for him. I think there's a good reason the CBA is working out like it is; clubs are rightly wary of the luxury tax -- it comes directly out of the owners' hides. If the rich clubs blow their wads on Harper, Machado, Kerwhaw and Donaldson, there's not going a huge pool of bidders on Rendon the year after.<br /><br />So I think the Nats will look at both players as the year develops, make an honest effort to re-sign Harper, and then turn to Rendon if Harper gets his big deal elsewhere.<br /><br />As an aside, I'd note that trading three of their top four pitching prospects for Eaton decimated an already fading farm system. There some good kids farther down the system, but the stock of major league ready arms is low and even some of the position players you'd hope would be ready are far down in the charts. This is worrisome, because homegrown talent is essential to keeping the window open. Having Bryce on the payroll won't guarantee you playoff contention without a great supporting cast.<br /><br /><br /><br />Platypus returnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10882853094443819807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-1161855195107260462018-01-26T10:35:26.026-08:002018-01-26T10:35:26.026-08:00I've always said that teams should get a luxur...I've always said that teams should get a luxury tax waiver of some sort for homegrown talent. The luxury tax in my opinion should be based solely on free agent acquisitions and not drafted talent that has remained with your team. Why? Because first of all teams should be rewarded for drafting and developing well and able to reward fans by retaining homegrown and thusly popular players. Of course the NATs might be penalized under a new modified luxury tax, but maybe not. Harper, Rendon, Stras and Zim are great talent that you shouldn't get penalized for later in their careers when they become expensive.<br />I grew up rooting for the A's. A Virginia boy, a child hood acquaintance played catcher, and I was hooked. In later years when Mark McGuire left my attention drifted with him. It's the thing I hate about the NBA. I lived in Memphis for a brief period in 2003-5. They were an exciting team, Paul Gasol, Jason Williams and others, but by 2007 they were all gone. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05338591616879172000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-35315288895720860732018-01-25T17:09:20.478-08:002018-01-25T17:09:20.478-08:00Looks like the Marlins did ok in that deal.
Looks like the Marlins did ok in that deal.<br />blovy8https://www.blogger.com/profile/06888192019412533415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-36919793031808743192018-01-25T15:13:45.351-08:002018-01-25T15:13:45.351-08:00Brewers aquire Christian Yelich.
In other news Bo...Brewers aquire Christian Yelich.<br /><br />In other news Boras calls rebuilding process damaging to the integrity of baseball.sircnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-32076633086247019442018-01-25T12:17:56.051-08:002018-01-25T12:17:56.051-08:00^^^^^
Seconded.^^^^^<br /><br />Seconded.sircnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-57630968450766699592018-01-25T11:23:40.319-08:002018-01-25T11:23:40.319-08:00Neither. Sign RizzoNeither. Sign RizzoG Cracka Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718297381010491862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-63180110828390701122018-01-25T11:10:50.111-08:002018-01-25T11:10:50.111-08:00Bryce's defense is infuriating. He routinely m...Bryce's defense is infuriating. He routinely misses the cutoff man and on top of that misses the base he's throwing to. He seems to love playing shallow not he's not a golden retriever type outfielder like Griffey who loves chasing a ball over his head. His foot speed is such that his range should be better, and his arm is good enough that he should hold more runners in check. Instead, he plays average defense with an occasional spectacular throw.Josh Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00524273388243642450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-66139366109671668162018-01-25T10:47:18.443-08:002018-01-25T10:47:18.443-08:00I think the question is moot. The Nats have very l...I think the question is moot. The Nats have very little chance at re-signing Bryce. He wants to hit free agency. He's as good as gone after this year.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359859089545299921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-79163507547063829882018-01-25T10:41:36.513-08:002018-01-25T10:41:36.513-08:00What a great topic. While Rendon is amazing, he...What a great topic. While Rendon is amazing, he's difficult to market (see his snub at the All Star games), and I think that will cut into his pay.<br />I'm skeptical that Harper will take a deal that leaves him back on the market at age 35. I think he'll want a contract through 38 and almost certainly $35/yr, and he will get at least one opt out and might need to be a DH/1st for the last 7 years of his contract. Fangraphs Steamer projects Harper at 5.9 WAR next year. Rendon at 4.4. <br />Between Harper at 12 years at $35 per or Rendon at 6 years at $25 per, I think Harper would project for more WAR/$ but with a wider range of potential outcomes that I can't stomach. So, sadly, I'd lean toward taking Rendon.billyhackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01147372135927774269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-89916472463036077132018-01-25T10:21:49.763-08:002018-01-25T10:21:49.763-08:00It'd be awesome if Bryce exceeds his wrc+ from...It'd be awesome if Bryce exceeds his wrc+ from last year. I think the projection systems are only predicting that Trout and Stanton exceed 156. Bryce is predicted around 156 again. Dmitri Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02086802838823495057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-64661882691387619572018-01-25T10:16:28.148-08:002018-01-25T10:16:28.148-08:00Well, if Harper wanted to sign here, he could, jus...Well, if Harper wanted to sign here, he could, just as Strasburg did. Boras works for him, not the other way around. But yeah, it really doesn't seem likely, unless he gets hurt again, and takes a smaller deal/opt-out deal, etc.blovy8https://www.blogger.com/profile/06888192019412533415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-22388542951982760872018-01-25T10:02:50.951-08:002018-01-25T10:02:50.951-08:00I doubt they sign either bc of Boras. I agree wit...I doubt they sign either bc of Boras. I agree with robot, you try to keep Harper if not both. SPEND ALL THE MONEY! The Lerner family isn't exactly broke. You keep both and build a foundation of born and bred Nats that we watched from the minor leagues all the way to the HOF. Also, Rizzo is the biggest upcoming free agent. If they lose him they are in real trouble.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-86109141365530732582018-01-25T10:01:57.674-08:002018-01-25T10:01:57.674-08:00I kind agree with Dezo. If it's either/or you ...I kind agree with Dezo. If it's either/or you have to go with Rendon, because per year and total years of contract he costs you a lot less, and you have OF depth at the moment. There also could be the future need to spend a lot on pitching if Strasburg opts out. We are making an assumption that Harper can stay healthy 10 years vs. Rendon staying healthy 5. Part of it really depends on when the deal is made too, if this is an extension for Rendon, that's another year of decline you aren't paying for, given his lesser status, what can Boras get? If you don't need to go 10 years for Harper, or there are opt-outs and deferrals as there are sure to be - very complicated. For the franchise, it seems like they could afford to stay competitive around Bryce's salary, but what happens when/if the Mets and Phillies spend like the bigger markets they are? That's a lot of risk with just the one player. On the other hand, Bryce could net a lot of prospects in a future rebuild.blovy8https://www.blogger.com/profile/06888192019412533415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-31847388697725435392018-01-25T09:27:55.995-08:002018-01-25T09:27:55.995-08:00One additional matter to consider is that the Nati...One additional matter to consider is that the Nationals have both Victor Robles and Juan Soto in the prospect pipeline and Adam Eaton under contract for the relatively long term. While nobody not named Trout can replace peak Harper, we haven't gotten peak Harper with the relentless consistency Trout has delivered.<br /><br />So, I think in the abstract, you want to give Harper that 10-year extension, because any team is better with Bryce Harper around for the long-term, but if Boras's asking price starts at "ridiculous," it may be better for the team to focus on locking up Rendon.<br /><br />DezoPenguinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-77745895579163492872018-01-25T09:00:43.698-08:002018-01-25T09:00:43.698-08:00SIGN BOTH!!! SPEND EVERY MONEY!SIGN BOTH!!! SPEND EVERY MONEY!Robotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-70479807799892812602018-01-25T08:26:14.326-08:002018-01-25T08:26:14.326-08:00I think Bryce associates being a good defender wit...I think Bryce associates being a good defender with putting himself on a position to get more injured. So he does not try as hard as others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com