tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post4858274602898448881..comments2024-03-28T10:50:33.234-07:00Comments on Nationals Baseball: Who is Victor Robles?Harperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-44892726485116592772022-06-11T18:12:37.473-07:002022-06-11T18:12:37.473-07:00he has a good point official source check out th... he has a good point <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/belt-bag-c-157_224_302/best-dior-belt-bag-001-p-2568.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>official source</strong></a> check out this site <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/cc-woc-c-157_190_191/fake-designer-wholesale-woven-wow-caviar-leather-81153-bag-p-4383.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>click over here now</strong></a> Continued <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/backpack-c-157_158_159/replica-louis-vuitton-campus-backpack-monogram-nigo-n40380-bag-p-3116.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>click now</strong></a>slypheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06132263259151130561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-28044019892641947232016-12-06T05:51:47.005-08:002016-12-06T05:51:47.005-08:00Is anyone else just a little bit concerned about t...Is anyone else just a little bit concerned about the asking price on Sale? You make a trade where your top two prospects are gone, and then what's left in the farm? A bunch of unproven arms beyond Lopez and zero position players. I think Sale is great, but selling the farm seems like a risky move given that we still have other holes to fill and now will have nothing to make those deals with. But in Rizzo I trust and I'm assuming he's in the works to land something else to replenish the farm...I hope.Friesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-88989717947153325282016-12-05T20:22:46.690-08:002016-12-05T20:22:46.690-08:00Harper - You were right regarding Lito: it was fan...Harper - You were right regarding Lito: it was fan-crazy to expect something big from him last year (probably next year, too, if I recall your post.) Some of us could be a little too high on Robles. <br /><br />Given his meteoric rise up the prospect list, Robles might actually be a "sell high" opportunity. Some GM out there (not Silverman this time) might decide he has to have him. In which case, if you're Rizzo, you conjure up another bank shot. (Avila for Norris was a classic. Norris was on the radar. But Avila?) My expectation is non-specific, but I'm hoping for "deft".<br /><br />I don't like including Robles in a McCutcheon deal because, in two years, the latter is off into free agency without a first rounder as compensation. In two previous high-profile trades, for Gio and Span, both acquisitions had years of control. Now, if, as part of the deal, we negotiate a 4-5 year contract with Cutch, that would more like the Rizzo we know.<br /><br /><br />Flapjacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-29277791493817543722016-12-05T20:13:14.576-08:002016-12-05T20:13:14.576-08:00Bowden reporting Giolito, Robles, low minor league...Bowden reporting Giolito, Robles, low minor leaguer is proposed package for Sale, and that teams are "down the road" in discussions, just looking to agree on final pieces. I would be cool with that. Would rather move Robles for Sale than for Cutch, and I like Cutch.ClassOf87noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-36604253795400600302016-12-05T17:55:37.542-08:002016-12-05T17:55:37.542-08:00blovy8 - Eaton is a CF like Bryce is a CF. But pro...blovy8 - Eaton is a CF like Bryce is a CF. But probably better! but probably not that much better! He fits better in a post Werth world. where the CF doesn't have to compensate for LF Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-22269734970155359782016-12-05T16:30:50.499-08:002016-12-05T16:30:50.499-08:00Holland might be the guy who would fit here since ...Holland might be the guy who would fit here since no one has a more positive reputation with pitchers recovering from surgery than the Nats. It's probably not a risk they'll take unless he comes cheaper than expected. What Sale makes you give up in two top guys+ you have to maybe make up for a little in a B prospect for Gio if you are ready to go with who is left for #5 after the deal. The Dodgers will take him - they want all the LH starters... If we consider Cole replacement level, then at the moment there are Ross, Lopez, Giolito, Voth above him. I think the club can take that hit, especially if they can stretch Solis back into a viable back end starter. It seemed like he had trouble with pitching back to back days and might be the rare guy who's better off starting. of course, he's had trouble staying healthy by just pitching it seems.<br /> It's probably easy to get Robertson in a Sale deal too - not sure I'd want him all that much, but he's adequate if they throw some cash in.<br />Is it correct to still think of Eaton as a CF? It seems to me like he's been moved to RF for guys who aren't that great like Austin Jackson.blovy8https://www.blogger.com/profile/06888192019412533415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-67302418050931854602016-12-05T14:17:06.250-08:002016-12-05T14:17:06.250-08:00That is not an impressive list, unless Davis is he...That is not an impressive list, unless Davis is healthy.PotomacFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17479027458024348671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-78160447297262674902016-12-05T14:00:49.143-08:002016-12-05T14:00:49.143-08:00JE34 - Frankie Rodriguez, Wade Davis, Steve Cishek...JE34 - Frankie Rodriguez, Wade Davis, Steve Cishek.Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-36155198871101224422016-12-05T13:54:32.348-08:002016-12-05T13:54:32.348-08:00Trading for Sale doesn't really make sense to ...Trading for Sale doesn't really make sense to me (even though I support it). I suspect the Nats are really targeting Cutch and are leaking Sale rumors to communicate to PIT that the Nats' offer for McCutchen might go away if PIT doesn't snap it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-29312334259687130212016-12-05T13:26:13.006-08:002016-12-05T13:26:13.006-08:00@Dezo- agreed, BUT which is more likely: Cutch wil...@Dezo- agreed, BUT which is more likely: Cutch will be at least "good" in 2017, with a possibility of "very good - great"; or Victor Robles will be "good" in 2019-2020? The higher percentage and the more reliable bet has got to be with Cutch.Chas Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00306056671418831755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-23354093118484225442016-12-05T12:56:22.969-08:002016-12-05T12:56:22.969-08:00I would love to see Rizzo get two or three legit a...I would love to see Rizzo get two or three legit arms that are not Closers. Like sign Holland, trade for Watson, sign Ziegler, trade for Kintzler. Get two RPs like that and see what shakes up between them, Kelley and TreinenNotBobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-68855787088200937632016-12-05T12:45:52.265-08:002016-12-05T12:45:52.265-08:00You got it. I do not want to gut the system unless...You got it. I do not want to gut the system unless it gets long term control. Nats have a good system, but it seems to be top heavy. If we trade two of our top four for two years of control over one player? No thanks. NotBobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-4663754260954027372016-12-05T12:04:24.100-08:002016-12-05T12:04:24.100-08:00As one of the people saying "Don't trade ...As one of the people saying "Don't trade Robles for Cutch!" in the previous thread, I figure I ought to speak up. My mouth is large and can fit many shoes.<br /><br />It's not that I don't recognize that prospects are a crapshoot. Sometimes they turn out great. Sometimes they don't. Top-level prospects are more likely to be great than bad ones, but they still regularly flame out. (The Nats actually got pretty lucky that both Strasburg and Harper have been, for the most part, really really really good at baseball.)<br /><br />My problem is that Andrew McCutchen is, to my mind, just as much of a crapshoot. We'd be trading one question mark that is very cheap and under control for a large number of years for another question mark that is very expensive and under control for only two years. I don't know if Victor Robles will be a useful player for the Nationals in 2019...but I'm equally dubious that Andrew McCutchen would be a useful player for the Nationals in 2017.<br /><br />(Personally, if we're going to empty the prospect bag for a pitcher and an outfielder, I'd like Rizzo to drag Rick Hahn off to one side and walk away with Quintana and Eaton. But that's just plain rosterbation.)DezoPenguinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-80570380239990739962016-12-05T12:00:27.401-08:002016-12-05T12:00:27.401-08:00Ugh. The Nats "pursuit" of Melancon was...Ugh. The Nats "pursuit" of Melancon was wishful thinking... and I will be shocked if they get a real closer. But having that guy anchoring the back of the pen did wonders for my digestion. Given the current strength of the starting rotation, I don't see getting another starter as more important than having a real closer. It's all the more important with Werth and Zimm in offensive decline.<br /><br />Are there legit closers in their final contract years that will be available in July for half-year rental?JE34noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-67135394139350956372016-12-05T10:31:19.399-08:002016-12-05T10:31:19.399-08:00I think Sale would be more. Two of Ross, Robles, L...<br />I think Sale would be more. Two of Ross, Robles, Lopez, Lito at least that's my numbers. So you could do both but it would gut the system. <br /><br />Sale's deal is good for THREE years... go for it... play out these 2-3 seasons and then commit to a rebuild, selling off whatever of value and restocking the system.<br /><br />Let's DO IT. Zimmerman11https://www.blogger.com/profile/14524103974207323535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-52219650727460998022016-12-05T10:12:12.786-08:002016-12-05T10:12:12.786-08:00Z11 - I'm going to guess they get one - they&#...Z11 - I'm going to guess they get one - they'll part with Lopez plus enough to get a match. Also I'm not surprised by Miami, they thought they'd be ready to compete and the Fernandez loss knocks plans around. Have to focus on something else <br /><br />mike k - Rizzo says a lot. I don't trust any statement in the press from him. And that's not an insult. He should play that game. <br /><br />KO - Potomax has it pretty much right IMO<br /><br />I think the Pirates would do Cutch for Robles+Voth+?<br />I think Sale would be more. Two of Ross, Robles, Lopez, Lito<br /><br />at least that's my numbers. So you could do both but it would gut the system. <br /><br />SM - the closer you get to the majors the better they are at predicting performance but your right. Hell I'm pretty sure ML performance is only like 65% predictable from year to year or something like that. <br /><br />NotBobby - now I can get this, if you are going to give up a likable prospect you need YEARS in return as much as talent. what about straight up for Adam Eaton? Basically you'd be tradings Robles later for Robles now - 5 years. I think though Sale (3 years) is long enough down the road to do it. After 3 years all contracts are fuzzy. <br /><br />Highman - Yes I think that's exactly it. With eyes on Glover or perhaps Lopez in 2019+<br /><br />Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-6749694734519059762016-12-05T10:06:27.771-08:002016-12-05T10:06:27.771-08:00I'm fine not getting a closer so long as we ge...I'm fine not getting a closer so long as we get Sale and/or Cutch. Relievers come and go all the time, but the lineup needs some help and I'd love to add a lefty (or swap out Gio for said lefty) to the rotationFriesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-74246989147144308032016-12-05T10:01:03.554-08:002016-12-05T10:01:03.554-08:00We're gonna be "Treinen" a buncha gu...We're gonna be "Treinen" a buncha guys in the late innings to see where we're at...Blake might get a shot, sure :) <br /><br />Interesting, sounds like Miami is going hard after Chapman.Zimmerman11https://www.blogger.com/profile/14524103974207323535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-86470804829247306312016-12-05T09:59:43.377-08:002016-12-05T09:59:43.377-08:00I forgot for a moment there that Shawn Kelley didn...I forgot for a moment there that Shawn Kelley didn't actually suffer a career ending injury in G5 (silly me). So new question becomes, do the Nats stand pat by slotting in Kelley at closer with Treinen as the likely successor if the old guy with two TJs gets hurt?Josh Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00524273388243642450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-51828381911013452582016-12-05T09:51:18.574-08:002016-12-05T09:51:18.574-08:00Olney reports that Melancon has agreed with the Gi...Olney reports that Melancon has agreed with the Giants, pending a physical. I don't believe the Nats will try hard to get Jansen or Chapman because of the price tags. Harper, do you think Melancon leaving means Blake Treinen is the Nats closer in 2017?Josh Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00524273388243642450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-23086627456596419782016-12-05T09:38:37.234-08:002016-12-05T09:38:37.234-08:00Harper - only speaking for myself, but I am not ba...Harper - only speaking for myself, but I am not banking on Robles being a superstar. I just believe in the get-in-as-often-as-possible mantra and think that Rizzo needs to keep a certain amount of high floor, good prospects to keep the pipeline flowing. <br /><br />Robles has a good shot of being in the lineup in 2019/2020. That is far in the future and i do not mind giving him up, but whoever he nabs has to help the team now and down the road. McCutcheon and Sale will help now but not down the road. If they could ensure a FLAG then i am down, but i do not believe in pushing all of one's chips in to the middle of the table. <br />NotBobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-84909015205173481912016-12-05T09:19:43.496-08:002016-12-05T09:19:43.496-08:00You noted the Sallyann--old school for "Sally...You noted the Sallyann--old school for "Sally"--league isn't a hitter friendly league. Shouldn't that consideration be taken into account as a player moves up the ladder?<br /><br />Be clear, I'm not comparing Robles to either of these two, but Gallo, for example, moved up to the AA Texas League and AAA Pacific Coast League where even you could drill a couple of tape-measure foul balls. They're hitters' leagues.<br /><br />Sanchez worked his way up through the AA Eastern League and AAA International League, hardly hitters' Edens. (What he did in the majors was indeed shockingly good.)<br /><br />The question, then, is, How accurately can minor league stats predict major league performance?<br /><br />I know Bill James toyed around with this for a while, and thought he'd nailed it. But even he admitted the variables were too scattered and unpredictable to achieve certainty. SMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-26558038764963260732016-12-05T09:05:08.209-08:002016-12-05T09:05:08.209-08:00My view (but I'm not Harper) is that Sale woul...My view (but I'm not Harper) is that Sale would require Robles + top pitching prospect (Giolito or Lopez) and maybe more. Cutch would also require at least two prospects, including one top pitching prospect, a next level pitching prospect, and maybe a throw in like MAT to play CF (unless the Pirates have someone else within their organization lined up for CF). In all events, I don't think we'll ever know because I don't see Rizzo giving up all his top prospects to get both Sale and Cutch -- and I'm not even sure the Nats have enough prospects to get both. Remember: other teams would love to get these guys, too, especially Sale.PotomacFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17479027458024348671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-56938441736303176722016-12-05T08:38:38.650-08:002016-12-05T08:38:38.650-08:00Harper, based on this do you think we would need p...Harper, based on this do you think we would need packages for Sale or Cutch or would Robles be enough for one of them? Cutch before Sale obviously.KOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-87286825062545439062016-12-05T07:49:31.663-08:002016-12-05T07:49:31.663-08:00Nationals Attempting To Acquire Both Chris Sale, A...Nationals Attempting To Acquire Both Chris Sale, Andrew McCutchen<br />By Mark Polishuk | December 5, 2016 at 7:22am CDT<br /><br />7:22am: The Nationals regard Robles as an integral long-term piece and are unwilling to trade him for McCutchen, writes Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post. A deal could still happen in spite of that, Janes notes. Further, contrary to an earlier report, the Nats never planned to non-tender Espinosa.<br /><br /><br /><br />Makes more sense they were just using the non-tender deadline as a reason to push the Pirates into making the move sooner. Seems more likely they were thinking about keeping Revere, but there are several options in CF so they were OK letting him go w/o completing the deal.Zimmerman11https://www.blogger.com/profile/14524103974207323535noreply@blogger.com