tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post638326785815723231..comments2024-03-27T19:05:25.362-07:00Comments on Nationals Baseball: Random Hall of Fame ThoughtsHarperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-58469434243168358892014-01-09T12:01:14.857-08:002014-01-09T12:01:14.857-08:00Wally - I think it may be a perception issue. OBP ...Wally - I think it may be a perception issue. OBP is a big part of that OPS but taking a walk doesn't add anything to the feel of a hitter. So Joe D can have a much better average, slug better but because his OBP is .30 pts lower he loses out. <br /><br />Z11 - not much to say. He isn't tainted by drugs. He's just a fringe guy who's talent lies all over the field when for the Hall "at the plate" matters most. The drop is just the ballot issue (too many names) but he'll bounce back in a couple years. <br /><br />blovy8 - I hear Maddux is still PISSED. Carroll talk is all over the radio now!Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-77425474052301354362014-01-09T11:14:45.911-08:002014-01-09T11:14:45.911-08:00Harper, you'll be happy to see that Jamey Carr...Harper, you'll be happy to see that Jamey Carroll can now retire as a Nat if he wants. Naturally, they had to wait until after the Hall of Fame annoucements, so they wouldn't be stealing the spotlight.blovy8https://www.blogger.com/profile/06888192019412533415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-70273826608373492032014-01-09T09:29:07.646-08:002014-01-09T09:29:07.646-08:00OK... so this is a Nats blog. The Nats is the Exp...OK... so this is a Nats blog. The Nats is the Expos Franchise and you didn't mention Rock Raines? Is he tainted by drugs the way the others are tainted by PEDs? His totals dipped this year w/ the stacked ballot...Zimmerman11https://www.blogger.com/profile/14524103974207323535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-9601977670517753332014-01-09T08:24:06.359-08:002014-01-09T08:24:06.359-08:00Trout doesn't get to be unanimous because the ...Trout doesn't get to be unanimous because the Babe wasn't, and no one was better than the Babe - that'll be the argument. So Trout can't compete against a dead hero.<br /><br />I think the numbers for Bonds and Clemens represent the bloc within BBWAA that disregards PEDs from consideration. I think it is their floor because there is absolutely no other reason to not vote for them. The other PED-tainted guys don't have such clear numbers and get caught up in your argument on positional representation. Like, 'sure, Piazza was the best hitting catcher, but compared to other hitters, he is not so extraordinary. So when I add in PEDs, I can not vote for him for a couple of reasons.' To be clear, I would ignore PEDs from consideration, so I don't agree with this, but I think it is implicit in some voters. <br /><br />Frank Thomas got me thinking about this whole PED thing again, from maybe a different angle. He played during an undeniably 'up' period for offense, and seems like everyone thinks PEDs are the reason. But he is unquestionably 'clean' right? Spoke out against them at the time when it wasn't in vogue, etc. Obviously he is a great hitter, but is he the 18th best ever? Better than Mike Schmidt, DiMaggio, Joe Morgan, etc? Doesn't feel that way to me, <i>especially taking into account that he was facing a whole slew of pitchers hopped up on PEDs</i>. So I think it lends credence to the argument that there must have been something else going on during that period, maybe in addition or maybe instead of, PEDs. Wallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-3031685799192635822014-01-09T08:03:48.650-08:002014-01-09T08:03:48.650-08:00You may be right. Zimm can't be completely dis...You may be right. Zimm can't be completely discounted yet but he'd need a couple year like '09-'10 again to really have a shot and I'm not sure anyone thinks that is happening. Otherwise, unless something crazy happens, it's seeing what goes on with Byrce/StrasHarperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-85465095445283980752014-01-09T07:52:33.176-08:002014-01-09T07:52:33.176-08:00Trout would not be unanimous. I imagine there will...Trout would not be unanimous. I imagine there will be a bloc insisting he get fewer votes than Miguel Cabrera. When both were in their primes, Cabrera won two MVP's in a row. He has to be better.<br /><br />To bring this back to the Nats(LoDuca reminded me): Pudge will be the first new Nationals player to be inducted, right? He won't wear a Nats uniform, but I believe he'll be the only player to ever play for the current incarnation of the Nationals to be in the Hall.cassnoreply@blogger.com