tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post7689322377747812532..comments2024-03-28T09:37:13.468-07:00Comments on Nationals Baseball: Nothing is sacredHarperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-69775394259338405582014-01-03T06:12:41.070-08:002014-01-03T06:12:41.070-08:00cass - that's an interesting take separating t...cass - that's an interesting take separating the discussiong from the actual enshrinement - as if we could just walk into the HOF one day and find, not by vote but by magic, players there or not there that we'd all still be arguing about the same things. <br /><br />I fine with talking... it's the caring so desparately that gets to me. I don't believe we NEED a shared point of reference. You can have yours, I can have mine. So the discussion is far less empassioned.<br /><br />Donald - someone agrees! If you think 1st round matters - I'm ok with you not voting a guy in. I do have to question though what you think first round means if you don't vote in a guy like Maddux. <br /><br />Chaz R - Thanks. Don't worry wiping my feet before entering.<br /><br />Sirc - Hello kettle, my brother from another mother. <br /><br />Look it's not the argument or how it's done it's the "sacred" part that gets me. When you start framing parts of the game as having biblical importance, I just think that's too far and I think the tone of a lot of articles these days do have that air about them. <br /><br />Matt - Spring Training, yes. I think since early October. Spring Training talk, no. Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-38118857258429847332014-01-02T21:48:21.678-08:002014-01-02T21:48:21.678-08:00Personally, I was yearning for spring training lon...Personally, I was yearning for spring training long before this years' HOF discussions started...Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-17990290116882348132014-01-02T18:45:25.975-08:002014-01-02T18:45:25.975-08:00Harper: "I DON'T REALLY CARE. I DON'T...Harper: "I DON'T REALLY CARE. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DO. AND WORSE, YOU WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT."<br /><br />Yeah, except you write about baseball here, but not really. You don't write about baseball so much as you take a side of an argument and then support your position, mostly with numbers.<br /><br />Pot meet kettle.<br />Sircnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-3719270657952012222014-01-02T15:27:05.067-08:002014-01-02T15:27:05.067-08:00Hah! Welcome back, Harper!Hah! Welcome back, Harper!Chas Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00306056671418831755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-72431567066049302842014-01-02T13:09:50.684-08:002014-01-02T13:09:50.684-08:00Anon - I believe you mean Blastings Milledge or pe...Anon - I believe you mean Blastings Milledge or perhaps Lastings Thrilledge. Fun fact - still not 30 until 2015 season! Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-51880575859444683002014-01-02T12:01:42.702-08:002014-01-02T12:01:42.702-08:00Look on the bright side, at least we aren't ta...Look on the bright side, at least we aren't talking about Lastings Milledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-49059540967809829102014-01-02T10:01:10.113-08:002014-01-02T10:01:10.113-08:00I'm completely with you on this one. I don...I'm completely with you on this one. I don't really care strongly one way or the other on most of these decisions -- even for suspected PED users. I'm fine deciding to keep them out because the violated the integrity of the game and I'm fine with letting them in because they were still the best of the best of their era.<br /><br />I think the one thing about HoF voting that does irk me, though, is the practice of some voters to vote against a guy just so the decision won't be unanimous, or just so he won't get in on the first round. That just seems remarkably petty and spiteful for no reason than to be petty and spiteful.Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295227567170577873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-53147028474080705812014-01-02T08:36:43.389-08:002014-01-02T08:36:43.389-08:00I don't really think the Hall of Fame has anyt...I don't really think the Hall of Fame has anything to do with the museum. I've come to that realization recently. The museum (as I understand it - I haven't been since I was a kid) contains many exhibits about contemporary and old-time players. Then there's one room with a bunch of plaques. I don't really think all of the arguing about the HoF vote is about the museum or the room with the plaques.<br /><br />I think it's about shared memory and community standards. It's about the consensus on who are the game's immortal players. It's a validation that the players you liked as a kid were some of the all-time greats. I think the All-Stars and MVP's and Cy Youngs are similar. It's about recognition of talent and performance. Kind of like the Oscars are about the movie industry recognizing great movies (ha ha) or the pencil sharpener manufacturers association's awards are about, well, you know.<br /><br />Should everyone care what a very poorly picked group of people think, many of whom do not know baseball very well? No, not really. But we do. And because most of us do, it is our yardstick for measuring history. Even if we don't agree, we talk about who should be in the Hall that isn't or who isn't in the Hall that should be. It's our point of reference. <br /><br />But none of this has to do with the museum. The Hall exists as a list of players and a history of how they were elected. It's not so important as a physical place. The plaques aren't really important. It's the communal recognition that's important.<br /><br />Or not. It's not really important in the great scheme of things. But this, I think, is why people think it's important. I kinda wish I felt the same as you so I wouldn't be angry that one of my favorite players and arguably the best pitcher of all time were being held to a different standard than the greenie-poppers of previous generations. cassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-62831475822954043502014-01-02T08:18:55.416-08:002014-01-02T08:18:55.416-08:00NTP - but I got all this great tea for Christmas!!...NTP - but I got all this great tea for Christmas!!!! GREAT TEA!@!!!!<br /><br />Anon - vs having stupid arguments? Maybe. I've got no problem with saying "Hey! This guy should be in!" talk. Love it. Do it twice on Sundays. I've got a small problem with "Hey! This guy shouldn't be in!" talk because it's usually gets too off topic, but I can live with it because it can be fun when done right. I've got a big problem with "Hey! You voted for this guy? You're stupid!" talk which feels like 50% of the talk these days. <br /><br />I love the Hall of Fame but if 20 more guys were in or 20 more guys were out I'd still love it and wouldn't think the history of the game wasn't being served right. "Mostly right" is more than good enough when it comes to voting these guys in or out. Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-21640327690673336952014-01-02T07:58:50.364-08:002014-01-02T07:58:50.364-08:00Would you prefer if no one was talking about baseb...Would you prefer if no one was talking about baseball at all? That everything was just endless discussion of football? (The way it often seems to me to be anyway)<br /><br />The Hall of Fame idea can certainly be criticised, but the one thing it does is make sure that baseball has a really great quality (and well-funded) museum - easily the best sports museum I've ever visited. That also functions as a reference library and a place to employ academics purely to research the history of baseball.<br /><br />In an society which seems to little value its history, I'd say that may be the highest purpose of the HoF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-24212961911504090792014-01-02T07:56:47.730-08:002014-01-02T07:56:47.730-08:00Time perhaps to dial back the caffeine just a smid...Time perhaps to dial back the caffeine just a smidge. And everyone knows that Mike Mussina was every bit as good as Tom Glavine, dang it!NTPNatehttp://www.nats3play.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com