tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post1779926560860204835..comments2024-03-28T10:50:33.234-07:00Comments on Nationals Baseball: 2014 is 2014Harperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-77008671588602888182014-06-13T05:33:43.940-07:002014-06-13T05:33:43.940-07:00Another reason that 2014 isn't 2013 is that th...Another reason that 2014 isn't 2013 is that the Braves aren't the same team either. We were expecting them to gain a game on the Nats over this stretch. Could still happen, but so far the Nats have gone 5-2 while the Braves have gone 3-4 against the Diamondbacks and Rockies. And now they are on to play the Angels who should give them a tough series. I really hope the Nats do well in St. Louis. Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295227567170577873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-91220671019158369142014-06-12T13:58:45.926-07:002014-06-12T13:58:45.926-07:00"Redskins have been consistently overrated by..."Redskins have been consistently overrated by their own fans and occasionally by pundits. You don't lose for 20 yrs in a row because of atmosphere. Bad team. Bad players."<br /><br />Not to divert too far into the problems with the Redskins, which can (and does) support its own blog(s), but bad team/bad players supports a bad season, or even a bad cluster of seasons. That team is an organizational disaster, which is why they have been pretty consistently awful for a generation. It's a pretty good example of how a bad organization can decimate a franchise. I think that's bigger than a "clubhouse atmosphere" thing.<br /><br />Plus, I think "clubhouse atmosphere" is football is fundamentally more important just due to the nature of the game, which requires that everyone act in a coordinated way at the same time, and where failure to do so results in bad play, regardless of individual efforts. To the extent baseball has this characteristic, it is significantly less pronounced.Kenny B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01104648417209196641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-14905169204734488072014-06-12T12:38:06.511-07:002014-06-12T12:38:06.511-07:00This nats team is a playoff team!
This nats team is a playoff team!<br />Brian and Holli Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704461544510241192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-87626270925112797812014-06-12T12:33:44.199-07:002014-06-12T12:33:44.199-07:00NattyDread - On the "Office" analogy - t...NattyDread - On the "Office" analogy - that explains why the team struggles on the field just fine. There's the drop in the individual quality of work (obviously) and a "greater than the sum" drop in team-related work as well because it effects everyone in little ways. <br /><br />Here's my issue - I've been in places where maybe I buy the psyche thing. Someone leaves and things get worse than they should because the perception of how hard it will be discourages. But here's the key - these aren't places where I'd characterize it as "having great heart" or "full of spirit".<br /><br />That's the thing. If the Nats were gritty gritty heart dawgs then the shouldn't have rolled over because of a few injuries. And if they were knee-knocking choke artists then they shouldn't pull off a streak like this when everyone is healthy. We shouldn't be spending a lot of time trying to figure out if they are one or the other. <br /><br />Mental things matter - but on a limited basis and in a way we can't quantify. So in my mind it's best to leave those things for when you don't have an easy explanation. Everything in 2014 (and 2013 and 2012) seems pretty cut and dried to me. <br /><br />Jay - totally different. Redskins have been consistently overrated by their own fans and occasionally by pundits. You don't lose for 20 yrs in a row because of atmosphere. Bad team. Bad players. <br /><br />Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-51488177691099759662014-06-12T12:17:52.015-07:002014-06-12T12:17:52.015-07:00@Ryan I kind of agree, but don't. Span is a be...@Ryan I kind of agree, but don't. Span is a below league average hitter (nice cherry picking of stats though). Last two seasons wRC+ 98 and 97, with a .316 and .313 WOBA would indicate he's below league average (100 and .330 respectively.) His career stats are buoyed by his great 2008 and 2009. But he's probably better than a 4th OFer because of his defense. The problem is this, his defense isn't better than Zimmerman's bat, especially to a team with a staff full of strikeout pitchers who happen to have an above average defensive CFer playing LF. <br /><br />Rather the equation is this:<br /><br />Zim LF Defense + Harper CF Defense + Rendon 3B Defense + Espinosa 2B Defense > Span CF Defense + Zim 3B Defense + Rendon 2B Defense + Harper LF DefenseJWLumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359661418378496780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-84540456355825068322014-06-12T11:45:21.465-07:002014-06-12T11:45:21.465-07:00Lets also not forget to mention Span has been gett...Lets also not forget to mention Span has been getting on base a lot during this hot streak. Hard to bench or platoon a guy who has been doing exactly what he was brought in to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-11685747111112383612014-06-12T11:27:53.890-07:002014-06-12T11:27:53.890-07:00I object to this repeated characterization of Dena...I object to this repeated characterization of Denard Span as a substantially below-average hitter or 4th outfielder. Should he be batting lead-off? Probably not. But he is almost the definition of league-average. Per Fangraphs:<br />Career wRC+: 105<br />Projected 2014 wRC+: 94-99<br />2012 WAR: 3.6<br />2013 WAR: 3.5<br /><br />Being a league-average (or minutely below) hitter with a plus glove in center field is too valuable to be used as a fourth outfielder. As Harper has said before, if Span were batting 7th or 8th this would basically be moot, it's only because Rizzo and Williams are stuck on the idea of the speedy lead-off man that his offensive mere-adequacy is an issue.Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-7138130006316436462014-06-12T11:10:28.812-07:002014-06-12T11:10:28.812-07:00I think atmosphere does make a difference. A majo...I think atmosphere does make a difference. A major example is in the same city. The Redskins are the offseason champions of the last decade (Desean Jackson??). Yet they stink every year.<br /><br />Everything I have read sounds like Zimmerman has said good bye to 3rd base forever. I think MW is saying Zim is going back to 3rd bc why commit to anything but status quo right now? He's in the outfield for conditioning - right? I think in the end Zim ends up in left and Harper ends up in CF. Harper is a bigger asset in CF. He becomes one of the best bats in CF in the league and is above average defensively. If Espinosa can hit >.220, then he should be on the field. The only thing that muddies the water ... next year Span has a club option and LaRoche has a mutual option. Does Zim move to 3rd this year bc Span will be in CF next year too and Zim then goes to 1st? Or does Zim stay in LF and LaRoche stays next year at 1st?Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-83999170145116740502014-06-12T10:42:55.482-07:002014-06-12T10:42:55.482-07:00Donald it was completely weak sauce, if Harper was...Donald it was completely weak sauce, if Harper was playing he would have easily got the out at second as it was close enough with zimmerman bouncing the cut off man. That said he took some pretty good routes.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536083039518387432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-51336160888654423992014-06-12T10:40:20.029-07:002014-06-12T10:40:20.029-07:00I didn't see the game last night. Did anyone ...I didn't see the game last night. Did anyone watch the play where Morse turned a single into a double by testing Zim's arm in left? The write-up said Zim one-hopped the cut-off man. Was it a tough play that most left fielders wouldn't have made, or is it a real weakness in Zim? If batters continually try to test him and he can't get the ball into the infield with any kind of zip then it could drive him out of that position even if he does make great catches.Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295227567170577873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-34766496807887916462014-06-12T10:24:21.549-07:002014-06-12T10:24:21.549-07:00I don't think there's going to be any &quo...I don't think there's going to be any "platooning" but it makes off-days for rest much easier to manage, to say nothing of what it opens up for late-game double and triple switches. Span's leading off and in center every day (except for rest) until he plays himself out. Harper's in left every day. Werth's in right every day. Zim's at third every day, etc. Maybe against a side-arming LHP there might be a different starting lineup, but I doubt that'll happen often. <br /><br />I'm just waiting for the day where everybody plays 2 spots in the same game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-22460219861882096372014-06-12T09:49:04.978-07:002014-06-12T09:49:04.978-07:00@Bote - Platooning Zim's bat EVER is a mistake...@Bote - Platooning Zim's bat EVER is a mistake in my opinion, and platooning LaRoche right now should deserve to get any manager firedBjd1207https://www.blogger.com/profile/08595153543505790679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-48638711281132471492014-06-12T09:46:37.117-07:002014-06-12T09:46:37.117-07:00@NattyDread - Really like the analogy and can say ...@NattyDread - Really like the analogy and can say the same for my office. Even being just one or two people down the typical bumps in the road become roadblocks, and things that are usually automatic are glaringly not-so-automatic. And that doesn't even touch on the psyche aspect of things.<br /><br />@Anon - I think the one we can rule out off the bat is Harper behind the plate. Major league catchers usually need 2-3 years in their respective system to learn the in's & out's of the staff/coaching. Expecting an ungroomed position player to jump in midseason is unreasonable in my opinion, and I doubt any team would ever do it. Added on top is the fact that Bryce will be coming back from injury and it's a physically demanding spot as well.<br /><br />Now the real topic that's ripe for debate is the infield/CF/LF situation. First thing we all need to keep in mind is that defensive contributions are VERY small compared to offensive, in the majority of cases. Even with all of us saying "Zim's done at 3rd" for the past month-running, he only racked up -1 DRS in the first part of the season. Bad, yes. Overshadowed by his bat? Certainly. With Espi hitting at replacement level and Span appearing to find his form at the plate, you'd need a HUGE contribution from espi's defense to push either of those guys off the field. And by huge I don't mean defensively elite, as Espi is, but I mean 2013 Andrelton Simmons level defensive metrics. Without that, the bat always wins. So I'd field Zim at 3rd, Rendon at 2nd, Bryce in LF, Span in CF, and hope Zim makes it 7 innings with the lead so you can sub in DannyBjd1207https://www.blogger.com/profile/08595153543505790679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-37182742030839987462014-06-12T09:42:30.862-07:002014-06-12T09:42:30.862-07:00@Nattydread Because when someone is out of your of...@Nattydread Because when someone is out of your office, there isn't someone who has been preparing their whole life for the job to take their place. <br /><br />As for the decisions, it won't happen, but the Nats best team on most days when Harper returns is Espi at 2B and Span on the bench. Harper is an above average CFer, Espi is the best defensive second basemen in baseball. The Nats also get a big defensive boost from Zimmerman in LF who is much better than Zimmerman at 3B and Rendon at 3B where he's better than at 2B. Won't happen though, partly due to archaic thinking and partly because Span on the bench means Rizzo will have to admit he traded a blue chip pitching prospect for a 4th outfielder. <br /><br />Either way, enjoying this ride. The Nats are a good team, but they're not this good and--especially with Ramos out--I think could use one more bat in their lineup to support the pitching staff. Desmond's hitting again, so it's not nearly as dire as it was a month ago, but still necessary in my opinion. Espi + Span + Lobaton + pitcher = 3 below league average hitters in your lineup. JWLumleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359661418378496780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-84352730353376343432014-06-12T09:40:24.113-07:002014-06-12T09:40:24.113-07:00An embarrassment of riches seems like a good probl...An embarrassment of riches seems like a good problem to have. Leaving aside the bench and who will go off the roster in about a month when Bryce likely returns, having 4 good to very good outfielders strikes me as a good problem to have.<br /><br />RHB = Zim, Werth<br />LHB = Span, Bryce<br /><br />Considering these 4 guys as only outfielders allows Matty to rest one of Werth, Zim, or Span on any given day and continue to get their money's worth out of Bryce. Base it on starting pitcher handedness, need for the guy to rest, or the supply of bananas and mayo in the clubhouse fridge.<br /><br />I think it's only a matter of time before Zim makes another spectacular diving catch in LF and strains his meatloaf shoulder while bracing his fall, then he's out for another 15 days (at least). Hopefully not, because Zim's bat is valuable in the lineup so Matty should find a way to keep him batting somehow.<br /><br />There's also the option of a Zim platoon with LaRoche at 1B on appropriate days. The Nats have worked him out at 1B a tiny bit. That could give you:<br />LF = Bryce<br />CF = Span<br />RF = Werth<br />3B = Rendon<br />SS = Desmond<br />2B = Espinosa<br />1B = ALR/Zim<br /><br />Assuming they maintain this level of offensive output, that's not too shabby a lineup in whatever order Matty's Magic 8 Ball tells him on any given game day.<br /><br />All indications from reliable sources indicate that Zim's days at 3B are likely done, so be governed accordingly.<br /><br />Overall I think this is just moving around deck chairs. Keep the hot bats in the lineup, hope the starting pitching stays lights-out, and be happy.Bote Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12924676358156839751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-40290927783729615062014-06-12T09:38:44.895-07:002014-06-12T09:38:44.895-07:00Ya I have to agree with Nattydread. I generally am...Ya I have to agree with Nattydread. I generally am not a fan of giving credit to off the field stuff (which is why I say Matt Williams is a terrible manager, because all I see is his in game decisions), but I don't think you can dismiss it out right.<br /><br />I am sure it is easy to get frustrated when 4 back ups are playing and are automatic outs. And frustration can lead to sub-optimal performance. But like "seeing the ball better" there is no way to actually measure it so it is hard to assign it value. It probably better to note it has some impact, but not try to assign some sort of tangible measurement (ex. "like 2012")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-30426685860516065312014-06-12T09:38:43.572-07:002014-06-12T09:38:43.572-07:00Ya I have to agree with Nattydread. I generally am...Ya I have to agree with Nattydread. I generally am not a fan of giving credit to off the field stuff (which is why I say Matt Williams is a terrible manager, because all I see is his in game decisions), but I don't think you can dismiss it out right.<br /><br />I am sure it is easy to get frustrated when 4 back ups are playing and are automatic outs. And frustration can lead to sub-optimal performance. But like "seeing the ball better" there is no way to actually measure it so it is hard to assign it value. It probably better to note it has some impact, but not try to assign some sort of tangible measurement (ex. "like 2012")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-8471248643731074172014-06-12T09:11:30.834-07:002014-06-12T09:11:30.834-07:00I agree with your automaton logic in general but t...I agree with your automaton logic in general but there is something to the clubhouse feeling described by journalists who are paid to do so.<br /><br />In my small office (10 people) when one key person is on leave, things are harder for all. When that person comes back there are two work improvements. One from the general work reduction because a key player is back. Two from the overall feeling that the team is complete. Yes, we are all adults, but that feeling of having a full team enables more work to get done.<br /><br />Why would this not be true on a baseball team? Zimmerman makes a difference.Nattydreadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-35268478636569562992014-06-12T08:44:21.292-07:002014-06-12T08:44:21.292-07:00Sure feels like this team needs historic pitching ...Sure feels like this team needs historic pitching performances to get ahead of the Braves into first place. In 2005, 2012, and 2014. I'll take it - I love good pitching more than anything in baseball. Let's just hope it can keep up.cassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-27378334706704346212014-06-12T08:39:09.141-07:002014-06-12T08:39:09.141-07:00I think the reality is Zim used to be a +++ defend...I think the reality is Zim used to be a +++ defender at 3B, but he really hasn't been good there since 2009. I think he knows that, and is very happy with the move to LF. <br /><br />Getting Harper back should give MW a lot of flexibility for using certain players against certain pitchers and in certain situations. Putting Harper in CF with Zim in LF allows the Nats to be strong defensively at three positions (Danny Espinosa at second over Anthony Rendon; Rendon over Zimmerman at third; and Harper over Span) and have a great offensive lineup.<br /><br />A related question is who will be moved from the 25 man roster when Harper comes back? Dobbs? Hairston?<br />Chas Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00306056671418831755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-52212260128522167102014-06-12T08:17:42.069-07:002014-06-12T08:17:42.069-07:00Anon -- There was some discussion around the catch...Anon -- There was some discussion around the catcher position a month or so ago. The consensus was that it's a very difficult position to master at the major league level and usually requires several years in the minors to get decent at. It's not just catching the ball, it's calling games and framing pitches and knowing pitchers and batters tendencies, etc. Couple that with injury concerns and it seems like putting Bryce behind the plate just isn't realistic.<br /><br />As for platooning, my guess is that Williams wants consistency. If Zim can play 3rd, he'll stay there most of the time and Espinosa will be back to the bench, with occasional spot starts or defensive substitutions. But I don't think Zim can play 3rd anymore. Once that's obvious, it'll be very interesting and probably pretty fluid for a while. In addition to those platooning options, there'll be more days off for Werth, LaRoche and Desmond. But I don't think any manager wants that many shifts for very long and we'll eventually settle into a stable line-up. As WiredHK notes, injuries could help decide what that ends up being.Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295227567170577873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-71648371202713206132014-06-12T07:54:50.805-07:002014-06-12T07:54:50.805-07:00Anon - Good questions. My feeling is that these de...Anon - Good questions. My feeling is that these decisions will never really come to a head because we'll constantly be without someone (DL) and be forced into varying lineups. That said, IF everyone was healthy, I'd think the simplest explanation is it becomes a Span/Righty Espy platoon depending on the pitcher faced that day. <br /><br />On Span days, he plays CF, Bryce to LF, Zim to 3B, Rendon to 2B. Espy days, shift it all accordingly the other way. Espy is simply a better RHB than LHB, all his career numbers say it plainly. Defensively they are both fantastic, so there you go.<br /><br />On #2, my buddy thinks the "hamstring" injury is a cover and that he actually hurt his right hand on the play -- but that the Nats don't want it out there so that opposing teams don't take advantage when he returns...ahh, conspiracy theory..WiredHKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-12942420564362069832014-06-12T07:43:11.361-07:002014-06-12T07:43:11.361-07:00I am also very interested to see what happens with...I am also very interested to see what happens with the lineup when Bryce comes back, and had a couple questions for the group (first time commentor, and by no means a baseball expert, so pardon my ignorance):<br /><br />1) With Zim looking at least average in left, there seems to be some interesting possibilities for shifting the lineup depending on pitching match-ups or slumps (Zim in LF vs. 3rd vs. 1st, Rendon 3rd vs 2nd, Bryce LF vs CF, Espi 2nd vs SS). How much does it affect the players psyche and play, though, if they were to move around on a more regular basis? Is it too much to ask Zim/Rendon/Byrce to switch between 2-3 positions regularly and not expect their play to deterioriate at all?<br /><br />2) Hopefully Ramos' hamstring is fine in two weeks, but given his injury history, is there any thought towards having Bryce put in some time at catcher in case he goes down for another extended period? I know it's been a few years since he has played there, and never at a professional level, so I am not sure if it would even be possible to make that switch mid-year, but it could be a way to keep the best bats in the lineup.<br /><br />All of these situations could be irrelevant depending on what happens over the next month with injuries, and it's not a bad problem to have, but figured I'd throw it out to the group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-14120979764240588082014-06-12T07:34:57.660-07:002014-06-12T07:34:57.660-07:00I think it's the mayonaynay sandwiches. I know...I think it's the mayonaynay sandwiches. I know I would be highly motivated to see the look on someone's face as the first consider such a wretched abomination, then bit into it, then contemplated the horrific trainwreck of flavors and textures assaulting their gustatory and cerebral cortices.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678357994045101892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9207681.post-54731894954709226362014-06-12T07:07:22.456-07:002014-06-12T07:07:22.456-07:00My guess is that it's winning that leads to go...My guess is that it's winning that leads to good chemistry rather than the converse, but beat writers always assume that chemistry is the catalyst because it makes for better stories. And hearing that after LeCroy eats a banana and mayo sandwich for lunch they win is fun. Hearing that after the Nats win, LeCroy treats himself to a banana and mayo sandwich for lunch the next day just makes him seem like some kinda weirdo.<br /><br />It'll be very interesting to see what happens after Bryce comes back and they shift Zim back to 3rd. If Zim can throw okay over there, it'll be fine. But what does Williams do after he airmails a throw in a critical situation? And how does that play on the pitchers psyche?Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295227567170577873noreply@blogger.com