Fire Davey.
The man can't help but blame the players and I don't want that type of guy leading this team. Maybe a veteran team can ignore him or maybe he wouldn't dare anger those guys, but this isn't a veteran team. It's a team of kids and they need someone to support and shield them.
There are numerous reasons to fire the guy. His behavior this weekend pushes that all aside to get to number 1. Even if you landed on "well he won the series and changing the manager doesn't really matter" I don't see how you can still want to keep the guy.
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Yes, awful comments during the sweep by the terrible Marlins. He should have been fired a long time ago.
Fire Davey!
I mean to his defense, I get where he was coming from. He was trying to defend his coaching staff and not throw them under the bus, but he inadvertently threw the players under the bus. He needs to realize that you can’t say players aren’t to blame, coaches aren’t to blame, front office isn’t to blame, ownership is to blame, because clearly if you’re losing, there are going to be parties at blame.
Regardless of all that, I have been wanting him to be fired for years and that is no different now than it was then.
I agree with your conclusion...and especially your reasoning. Maybe he is an okay manager but you NEVER side with the coaches at the expense of the players. Coaches are expendable; good players are not.
100% agree.
My reluctance all along has been more routed in epistemological humility than any affirmative pro-Davey case, but the train wreck we witnessed this weekend provided plenty of evidence of bad process beyond all the years of bad results.
He should be done.
Davey needs to go. No question. I only wish I had more confidence in Rizzo to hire someone better.
I agree he has to go, and I'm one of the ones who was saying "firing the manager doesn't help." However, @Donald makes a good point -- does *anyone* know what qualities to look for in a manager?
"Different from last guy and hope it clicks." is usually the plan.
You are looking for someone who seems to understand baseball well - but that would be pretty much everyone up for the job, so it more comes down to who vibes with the GM and the players, who is good with the media, presents "buck stops here" authority, while presenting a change from the last guy.
The problem is vibing with GM while being different when the GM doesn't change.
His termination is years overdue. But it sounds like the Lerners are too dysfunctional to even do the right thing and end this misery.
The underlying philosophy for a manager has to be some variant of “We succeeded or I failed.” Davey managed to completely flip that on its head all weekend, and given a chance for a mea culpa on Sunday, he half-assed it.
He needs to go. Only excuse I see for keeping him this week is to avoid turmoil from too much change distracting the team into a series loss vs. COL
I have at times been a davey defender and at times a “firing davey doesn’t matter” guy. This weekend changed it for me—fire him now and find a new permanent manager in the offseason. What a buffoon.
I think we’re all missing the biggest problem of all. It’s not what he said, although that is bad from a morale perspective, it’s that he actually believes what he said that’s the real issue.
The guy actually believes he is doing a good job and shouldn’t be making changes. His horrible decisions don’t work out? Must be the players or bad baseball luck. Players regress under his leadership? They don’t have the right internal drive or something. Lineups fail? There are no better options.
He’s supposedly a numbers guy so he must know he has underperformed expected wins almost every year. So how can none of this be his fault? And it’s not just not his fault now but it can NEVER be the coaches fault. They can do no wrong.
Maybe we just boycott the team until he’s gone? Maybe being swept by the Rockies will do it?
I'm one of those people who thinks that a manager's job is mostly player morale. (Any fan can fill out a decent lineup card.) Davey had been fairly good with this, but his weekend's statements sound terrible. If he has lost the confidence of his players, he should definitely go. If they don't, I'm ambivalent.
He won't be fired cause that would cost money- Lerners would have to pay his replacement.
Davey has done more for the city of Washington DC than anyone else in American history, i find it appalling that you guys turn your back on him so quickly after everything he has done for us. He wasn't wrong, it's the kids that need to stop dropping balls and walking batters in key spots- his job would be easy if we had pitchers that knew how to get an out
Phil has a point. Coaches coach, players play. This is true if this were Davey’s second or third year. It’s not. He’s worn out his welcome. That happens to managers who have been with a team for an extended period. There are only two outcomes for a coach: retired or fired.
The team sucks. The vets are garbage. The “kids” are trash, save for a couple.
Honestly, DM is the easy target and he should be fired because he’s replaceable. However, this one is on Rizzo. Anyone else find it odd that plan was for the Nats to win the World Series one year, then rebuild for 5 years, then be competitive again… all under the same manager/same voice. Seriously?
2018-20:“Go 1-0 everyday” (WS or bust)
2021-25“Get better everyday” (we suck)
2026: “Go 1-0 everyday”
At some point, it gets tired coming from the same guy who whose expectations of his players rise and fall like that. NEXT!
10 loss streak, worst since 2008. The record is 12 and that should be The End of Davey
Frankly if the Nats are swept by the Rockies, one of the worst teams of the modern era, there is no way Davey should be still in the job. I know a lot of people are pointing the finger at Rizzo as well, but Rizzo has made active efforts to change things (look at the player development overhaul, for example) with a well-known tight budget thanks to the cheapness of the Lerners.
Davey on the other hand? I don't know what he's done. I said this before and was chastised, but the clubhouse was only ever in a good state when the veterans were running the culture. Davey has never seemed to implement his own culture, and now with a bunch of kids on the team, the clubhouse looks disjointed. He's always struggled with the young guys, and personnel management is his primary job
I know I'm late on this, but man: Concur. This team seems to serially play to the level of its opposition. While characteristic of an inexperienced team, failing to overcome that is 100% on coaching. And Davey bus-chucking those kids is unacceptable. I would not be surprised if over the next few weeks, what we start to hear is a sense that he's lost the locker room because popping off like that is the kind of thing you say when you're ALREADY not getting through to players.
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