Nationals Baseball: Bryce ruminations

Friday, September 28, 2018

Bryce ruminations

It's hard to quantify Bryce. I've think there is some underestimation of what Bryce is by both the non-Nats fan public and the online Nats fan. The non-Nats fan public takes a glance at the stats, the lack of playoff wins, remembers the hype and the very early "attitude" problems, and calls the whole thing disappointing. The online Nats fan, understands better what should be dismissed about the above, but they tend to be a little too dismissive about his impact off the field.* 

Bryce is someone that loves the spotlight and does well in it. He is the touchstone for the team, especially the younger and casual fans. His personality is admittedly rather bland when you get him down to interview, but despite that he's able to be sold as some sort of bad boy basher because he has that X-Factor. 

Rendon might have been just as important but leans away from it. Zimmerman is the long time face and probably only a little blander in interviews, but just doesn't have "it" (see: Trout, Mike). Max is great, but Max you see only every 5 days. Doolittle is pretty good, but hasn't been here long enough to have a deep following and might be right back out that door after next year. Soto, Robles, and Turner, while talented, haven't shown any sellable spark yet.

But Bryce is not the end all be all. He hasn't come through every year, often hobbled by injuries turning a team-carrying superstar into a mere star. He's had big playoff moments but because of the same tendency to get injured has rarely been able to have the impact you think he should. He's ALMOST the player he was expected to be, the generational talent that could define great offense for the next 15 years, but he's not that. Instead he's a guy that's continually on the precipice of that. A season here, a half-season there. And because of his age that still works, but it won't for much longer.

That last statement is what makes signing Bryce different than your typical free agent. Bryce is still only 25. He's half a year younger than Wilmer Difo. Here are the Nats in 2018 that had at bats that are more than a year younger than Bryce : Juan Soto, Victor Robles, Andrew Stevenson.  Here are the pitchers that threw a pitch for the Nats this year that are more than a year younger than Bryce :  

That's no mistake - there aren't any. Bryce is still young. Not very young, but young and that means his future is still a future. The fact that he's had so much experience by now makes it a pretty clear future but there is still room for change and growth. But the primary selling point is not improvement, it's that the fear of non-injury based decline anywhere in the plannable future - even out to 5 years, is minimal.  That is rare in a long-term signing.

What is clear is if he's healthy he's an All-Star plus caliber offensive player. What's not clear is how he fits into a defense scheme and if, in fact, he can stay healthy.

I don't know exactly what to do here. Bryce has the ability to be a singular player, but as we've seen with the Angels, a singular player by himself, even the best one, cannot get a team to the playoffs himself. That's not how baseball works. So if you are betting on Bryce, signing him and bringing him back, you aren't just betting on Bryce. You are betting on your own ability to build a winning team around him with the remaining funds available.** For the Nats that may be only 10-15 million more in 2019 if you sign him. Can you do that?  The Nats have been able to do build a winner with less money than that but that was when they found themselves with 3-4 underpaid starting pitchers and 3-4 underpaid starting offensive players for 4-5 years. Now they have a similar base of offensive players - maybe even better if both Robles and Soto hit - but possibly no underpaid starting pitchers.  Is the best move going forward putting that much money into the offense?

That's the crux. The Nats going forward likely can be good enough offensively to win already, at least in 2019. They may not be able to be good enough on the mound. Do you double down on the more reliable offense, and sign the team defining player, or do you try to throw money at the more variable issue in pitching? They arguably tried the latter this year, ignoring a hole at catcher and buying into the pen. That didn't work.  And if you do choose the offense there's even a choice. Do you build around Bryce as part of your core for the next four years, or bet on being able to do it with Rendon - the more reliable strong defender with a bat but who's older and has no real interest in being marketed?

I'll say this - signing Bryce will not be the wrong move. He's a great offensive player that makes a team better. The Nats may follow it up with other wrong moves and fail to win. Or they may follow it up with no moves and fail and blame budget, but that's on them, not on Bryce.  It's never a mistake to sign a good player.

*The online fans are right in their overall point, though. It's winning that drives the bus for attendance. Bryce may help boost it, but he's the finishing touch, not the main ingredient. 

**Really in a sense you are betting on your ability to build a winning team around 90 million for Bryce, Max, and Stras - assuming Stras stays. 

16 comments:

Carl said...

FWIW, I've realized I'm more tolerant of playoff failures than most sports fan. Because American sports are married to the winner-take-all playoff system, by its nature most of the teams lose. Only four teams out of 30 win a first round playoff series every year! It's freaking hard! Sure I'm disappointed that the Nats haven't gotten to the NLCS, but I don't act like it's a huge character flaw on the part of Bryce or anyone else. (Well, maybe Davey Johnson and Matt Williams.)

Interview response I'd love to hear: when some NHL coach is asked about the non-guaranteed success of the top seed, or some other track record that bodes ill, for him to answer "Did you know that only 6% of teams that make the playoffs win the Cup? Jeez, why even bother?"

Harper said...

Carl - Hey you are looking at the guy who liked the BCS bc he felt it gave the proper level of importance to the regular season. I get it. But it's the bed we made in the name of playoff ticket profit.

Anonymous said...

Harper this is a good post. Bryce's key selling point is his age. Bryce does not necessarily fit the Nats' needs - the delta between Bryce and Robles - his likely replacement in 2019 - is probably not as large as Bryce's salary, which suggests that funds can be spent more efficiently elsewhere. But if the choice is between Bryce and Rendon, I pick Bryce because a) he's ~3 years younger and b) he derives so much of his value from hitting, whereas a good chunk of Rendon's value comes from defense. This is not to say that defense doesn't matter, but we shouldn't expect Rendon to retain that value much after 30, which is when we'd be paying for his free agent years. I also think there will be spillover effects of having Harper and Soto in the same lineup: two guys who have ~.400 OBPs and walk ~20% of the time will be very tough on pitchers.

For me, signing Bryce is not the hard choice. The hard choice is what to do with Robles/Eaton. Which one you pick depends on what you get back, of course. What they do here a) is not obvious and b) will affect what the 2019-22 period looks like dramatically.

But still: in baseball, bet on the guy who was good at 19, great at 22, and somewhere between good and pretty damn good all the other years.

Ryan said...

Gotta keep Bryce if possible, Bryce's playoff homers have all been some of the best moments in the history of this franchise. I also really don't want to see him reach his potential for another team. He's still so young and even in a year where he struggled for a while, is one of the best 20-30 hitters in the league.

Robot said...

I still say trade Zim after a solid year and move Bryce to 1B.

blovy8 said...

My theory of the moment is this - I'm not sure Bryce is exactly a finished product. He could figure some things out and mature a bit more and give you more production. Yeah, right now he is suppressing the hothead within, to a point...but maybe after he has a kid he flips a page? Maybe just knowing he can stay where he's comfortable? He's so young. But yes, I agree that it's not fair to put that on any one player. But that is part of being a star. IMO, his mentors haven't been terrible.

I do feel like the expanded playoffs have screwed the special nature of the six month baseball season. Home field advantage in the ten team tournament...so what?

blovy8 said...

Nobody wants Zim at 18m a year except us, Robot.

blovy8 said...

It's like asking the Lerners who would have signed Wieters for 2/21.

Ole PBN said...

For all the asterisks in this post, Harper, you failed to put one after the last sentence: "It's never a mistake to sign a good player." Unless it cripples your team financially?

DezoPenguin said...

I think Harper's operating from the point of view that the financial constraints that baseball franchises operate under are pretty much entirely self-imposed and have little to nothing to do with the franchise, or the owner's, actual ability to spend money. Nothing is stopping the Nationals from spending like the Dodgers except Ted and Mark Lerner's willingness to do so.

That said, of course your point is correct. If Bryce costs $X to sign and the Lerners have fixed a budget for $Y, then at some point it's no longer going to be possible to sign additional players to fix the other holes.

And really, this is the entire point. I don't think anybody gives serious thought to the idea that Bryce would sign with a non-Nationals team if the Nationals offered him the biggest contract. The question is, what will that contract be, and will the money be better spent somewhere else given that Soto/Robles/Eaton are already in-hand as players and we badly need pitching and catching, plus Rendon is a FA after next year and second base is a potential long-term issue. If you do resign Bryce, it pretty much mandates that either Eaton or Robles gets moved, because his money spent means that the Nats can't use that money to fix existing holes and they don't have the prospects to do so.

Harper said...

what Dezo said. It's my "no money bucket" theory. There is no bucket full of money the Lerners have that when it runs out there is no more money to spend on baseball. Of course functionally it does matter what they WANT to spend but if they lose the anger should be at the Lerners (for agreeing to sign Bryce and not spending enough to make them a winner after that) not at signing Bryce to begin with

von_bluff said...

Whatever decision is made by all parties involved, short of squabbling over chump change, will be ok in my eyes.

I love Bryce - I think his ABs are must-watch entertainment, but if he leaves, I get it.

That being said, with an OF of Eaton, Robles, Harper, (with Soto at 1st,) sounds like a pitcher's nightmare and defensively is more than adequate.

G Cracka X said...

This is excellent analysis as usual, Harper! Thank you very much.

The one thing that I'm not sure is getting discussed enough on this topic is Bryce's D. Among qualified outfielders this year, Bryce has the worst Ultimate Zone Rating, and also the worst UZR/150. If you say, 'Hey, I think Defensive Runs Saved is a better defensive metric', well, Bryce is tied for 2nd-worst (and only 1 run behind Charlie Blackmon for worst DRS among qualifiers).

In Bryce's defense, I think we can say that defensive metrics are fuzzier than offensive stats, and he was much better defensively in the previous 2 seasons, so perhaps there is positive regression for future years. Or maybe you say, 'Bryce went easy on the D in '18 to secure a long-term contract, so he'll be better once he's signed'

But defense doesn't age well, and it might become the case that he's no longer viable in the OF at some point in his new contract and needs to be moved to 1B, which I think would limit his long-term value.

Froggy said...

Why is Fedde starting the last game? I thought "if the game mattered" Max was going to start?

Besides, another W and he is the only 19 game winner with over 300K's this season. Could be the difference in CY award.

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Froggy said...

Bang! Zoom Go the Rockies! Fedde serves up another tater.

Purple team 4 Red team 0